The limits of human love

topic posted Sat, January 19, 2008 - 1:36 PM by  Ann
Ive often thought that no human could posibly contain one persons love, let alone several members of a family and a few friends .All the self help books tell us of the dissatisfaction of Women from Venus, Men from Mars. Children brought up in unloving homes not having enough love , are we deluded, thinking we can ever love, even one person enough. to satisfy .
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Ann
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  • Re: The limits of human love

    Sat, January 19, 2008 - 9:06 PM
    The late M.Scott Peck said, "need is not love". Perhaps I hear some mixed understanding of those in your question. The paradox of love is that the more we look to another for love, or as an outlet for our love, the more we may not feel the love that is in us, as us. If there is emptiness in us, it is our emptiness, if there is fullness in us, it is ours to to be full with. Two people, or for that matter the whole world, trying to fill each other up, is partly an illusion that is only dispelled when we are the love we seek, the love inside us, in each other's presence, and in still awareness of it within ourselves.
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      Re: The limits of human love

      Sun, January 20, 2008 - 10:27 AM
      Ive read a lot of Mscott Pecks books particularly The Road less Travelled and found his decription of love very helpful but as he said love is effortful, so maybe thats what i mean maybe extending myself is exhausting, the effort of love .but it seems I am looking at things from a human perspective of relationship maybe I need to find a broader perspective including all else . in the universe. and start appreciating returns from non human sources like the stars, beauty .

      Thankyou
      • Re: The limits of human love

        Sun, January 20, 2008 - 9:58 PM
        Well, since you’ve read A Road Less Traveled, perhaps it’s a bit unfortunate that I used M. Scott Peck as a reference point, because, except for that one observation (“need is not love”), many of the other things he said about love were bogus. For example, he said “love is not a feeling”, which is an idea he used to re-categorize love as an ethical principle, reducing love, in essence, to an intellectual construct of good.
        To a spiritual person, this is a very poor understanding of love, where he attempts to make love formulaic to the workings of the mind and obedient to our sense of “reason”. The heart knows no such constraints and is diminished by our mental overrides of its ways and flows. All confusions of the heart are really confusions of our mind in understanding what our heart seeks and wants for us, versus what our ego (fear) driven mind thinks our heart wants. Often, our heart has little or nothing to do with it.
        As has been pointed out here (thanks Narayan), Bhakti is about the heart, but the heart in relation to spirit, God, the Absolute, the ineffable experience and realization of oneness with all and everything. If approached (or realized) this excludes our illusion of separateness, that which distorts or divides an experience of unity and wholeness and connection. This is love, but love on such a plane that ordinary love, with its insecurities and needs and ebbs and flows is of little consequence. The effort you feel may be in loving in a way that seeks a sense of love as more steady and unchanging then the love felt in ordinary relationships can provide. Since you pose a question that includes an awareness of love as more “than one relationship can hold” (if I’ve paraphrased that clearly), perhaps there is something within you that seeks a greater and broader understanding of it. I cannot tell you what path or teaching or teacher will best help you discover that. Bhakti is only one path, a path that is a bit love-centric (in an eastern sort of way), but it is up to you to find your own way, if you are moved to do so. Namaste
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          Re: The limits of human love

          Mon, January 21, 2008 - 11:47 AM
          Many thanks I do understand a little of what you mean I was brought up a Catholic and unfortunately scott Peck really had a downer on Catholicism but in terms of practicing devotion, to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. I do remember those sublime feelings of love which comforted me and were not harmful at all. Except that kids would make fun of me if they knew I went to visit church voluntarily!!
  • Re: The limits of human love

    Sun, January 20, 2008 - 6:39 AM
    Excellent post. The idea that another human being could contain all of one's love is utter delusion.

    Seeing as this is a tribe about "Bhakti Yoga", I think it's a good idea to delve deeper into the difference between Bhakti and what we are accustomed to call love, i.e. romantic love/family love.

    Perhaps one way to distinguish is this: Bhakti is forever, while romantic love is, at most, "until death do us part". Even in the rare cases when it does last until death, the beautiful sweet feelings fizzle out after a couple years. Bhakti, by contrast, is ever sweet and beautiful.

    This, perhaps, is due to the differing "objects" of the love in both cases. The object that romantic love is directed towards is continually changing, while the "object" in the case of Bhakti (the Absolute) never changes. In this sense, it is no surprise that the "feedback" or "payback" from romantic love is variable (or even "fickle") - not so with Bhakti.
    • Re: The limits of human love

      Sun, January 20, 2008 - 10:14 AM
      really lucid writing! Thank you for this. Sounds a little sad but true.
      Namaste, Akasha
      • Re: The limits of human love

        Mon, January 21, 2008 - 9:23 AM
        It's only sad until you start to take things for what they are. A temporary phenomenon cannot provide everlasting bliss. Nothing against temporary bliss, by the way! It is what it is. In Czech there's a nice word for it: "sladkobol", which means "sweet pain".

        For me, Bhakti is what gives the spiritual path "soul" or "juice". Without it (her, actually - Bhakti is female), spirituality seems barren and dry. It's difficult to get fired up about intellectual constructs, you know?
  • Re: The limits of human love

    Mon, February 25, 2008 - 6:46 AM
    say the word "Krisna" 50 times, with breath.
    ...then breathe in, ...hold it,... and on breathing out, intone the word "L-O-V-E". Do this Love Mantra Excercise 1000 times.
    ... then meditate in quiet. Meditate on this: Is "love" a four letter word, which after a while becomes merely a nonsense sound? Or can you actually feel it now?

    Metta
    b!
  • Re: The limits of human love

    Sat, May 24, 2008 - 2:01 AM
    Gurus may affirm that humans can not love as there is no love in the material world. envy is shown between almost perfect gods in the Rk Veda and later. But we can of course align to the divine in us and them and vibrate love. Stainless.
  • Re: The limits of human love

    Sat, July 19, 2008 - 4:13 AM
    True mind is love but by the age of three there is no true mind at all, therefore love is prenatal.
    • Re: The limits of human love

      Sat, July 19, 2008 - 12:29 PM
      The highest love is displayed in Goloka Vrndavana between Lord Krishna and His devotees in any one of the five kinds of feelings they have for Him, neutral love, like the cows and deer, fraternal love, like His cowherd boyfriends, parental love, like his mother and father, servitude love, like those who want to serve Him, and conjugal love, like His lovers the gopis, cowherd girls.

      If we give up our false identity of thinking ourselves to be these bodies and come to the platform of realizing Bhagavan, the source of all opulences then our true love can be increased unlimitedly. Devotees of Krishna sometimes pray not to become too ecstatic in their love for Him because otherwise they will not be able to do anything else.

      Even in neutral love the deer and birds and other things become stunned in ecstacy upon hearing the sound of Lord Krishna's flute. They are fully satisfied with their level of ecstatic love.